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Danser entre les mines : L’interview d’Obama

Posté le Jeudi 29 janvier 2009 par Mateamargo

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January 29, 2009
Dancing Among Landmines–The Obama Al-Arabiya Interview
By Victor Davis Hanson

President Barack Obama is being praised for choosing an Arabic TV network for his first formal television interview on the Dubai-based, Saudi-owned Al-Arabiya news channel. I think we can all appreciate the thinking behind such bold outreach, given that the media at home has chortled to the world that our new guy’s unusual background, in sort of Zen-fashion, has befuddled the radical Islamic movement.

The subtext of our satisfaction has been that Obama–African-American, son of a Muslim father, erstwhile resident of Muslim Indochina, with Hussein as his middle name–makes it far harder for the Arab Islamic world to typecast America unfairly as the Great Satan than would be true in the case of an evangelical, Texas-drawling, hard-core conservative Chief Executive like good ‘ole boy George Bush.

True enough, no doubt.

But triangulation is a touchy art and it takes the genius of a Dick Morris cum soulless Bill Clinton to pull off such disingenuousness. In less experienced hands it can be explosive and turn on its user. And Obama will soon learn the dangerous game he is playing. Consider:

1) When abroad it is not wise to criticize your own country and praise the antithetical world view of another–especially if yours is a democratic republic and the alternative is a theocratic monarchy that has a less than liberal record on human rights, treatment of women and homosexuals, and tolerance for religious plurality.

But here’s what Obama said:

« … All too often the United States starts by dictating…in the past on some of these issues…and we don’t always know all the factors that are involved. So let’s listen…Well, here’s what I think is important. Look at the proposal that was put forth by King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia…I might not agree with every aspect of the proposal, but it took great courage…to put forward something that is as significant as that. I think that there are ideas across the region of how we might pursue peace. »

The end, if unintended, result is that the Saudi King comes across as courageous, while the U.S. President and State Department (e.g., « the United States ») are portrayed as dictatorial-like (« dictating ») in the region.

2) An unspoken rule of American statesmanship is not to be overtly partisan abroad. And in Obama’s case it is high time to arrest the campaign mode, cease the implied « Bush did it » (which ipso facto has a short shelf life), and begin dealing with the world as it is, rather than the world you feel was unfairly presented to you by someone more blameworthy in the past. But again consider:

« But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there’s no reason why we can’t restore that. And that I think is going to be an important task… And so what we want to do is to listen, set aside some of the preconceptions that have existed and have built up over the last several years. And I think if we do that, then there’s a possibility at least of achieving some breakthroughs… but I think that what you’ll see is somebody who is listening, who is respectful, and who is trying to promote the interests not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity. I want to make sure that I’m speaking to them, as well. »

Perhaps. But once again, the impression comes across as ‘past America bad /present and future America good.’ (Even the senior George Bush learned that lesson at home with his serial « kinder, gentler nation » [e.g., kinder than what?]). And nothing is offered here (other than our lack of a colonial past) about the actual impressive record: amazing American good will in saving Kuwait, objecting to the Kuwaiti deportations of thousands of Palestinians, speaking out against Russia on behalf of the Chechens, trying to save the Somalis, bombing a Christian European Serbia to save the Kosovar and Bosnian Muslims, helping the Afghans against the Soviets, removing the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and trying to invest a $1 trillion in fostering democracy in their places, billions in disease relief for black (and often Muslim) Africa, timely help to the Muslim victims of the tsunami, and liberal immigration laws that welcome in millions of Arabs and/or Muslims. I could go on but you get the picture left out that America, far better than China, Russia, or Europe, has been quite friendly to the Muslim world.

Instead the supposition is that somehow the culpability is largely ours–and therefore ours to rectify. In fact, the widespread hatred in the Islamic world, manifested, and sometime applauded, on September 11, was largely a result of the failures of indigenous autocracy–whether in the past Pan-Arabist, Baathist, theocratic and Islamic, Nasserite, or pro-Soviet statism.

Such repression and failed economic policies, coupled with the sudden ability of a long-suffering populace in a globalized world to fathom that things were bad in the Middle East but no so bad elsewhere, led to growing anger and frustration. That state megaphones (in a devil’s bargain with radical Islamists) preached that the real culprit of general Muslim misery was neither Islamic terrorism nor state dictators nor gender apartheid nor religious intolerance nor state-run economies, but solely the fault of America and the Jews hardly helped.

We should also remember that the Bush record was often quite good: we have not been hit in over seven years; Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation was stopped; Libya gave up its nuclear program; Syria is out of Lebanon; Hamas and Hezbollah have suffered a great deal of damage as a result of their aggressions; there are constitutional governments at work in place of the Taliban and Saddam; the leadership of al Qaeda is scattered and depleted and its brand is diminished in Iraq. The fact that Middle East authoritarian governments might not like all of that; or that radical Muslims find this disturbing; or even that the spokesmen for the unfree populations of the Arab world object–simply does not change the truth. I wish President Obama better appreciated that simple fact, because he surely is a beneficiary of it.

3). Beware of the dangerous two-step. For nearly two years the unspoken rule of the campaign (ask former Senator Bob Kerry or Hillary Clinton herself or talk-show host Bill Cunningham) was that mentioning Obama’s Muslim ancestry was taboo. It was illiberal to evoke his Muslim-sounding name or his Indonesian ancestry, as if one were deliberately trying to suggest his multicultural fides made him less appealing to the square majority in America. But Obama apparently himself is immune to such prohibitions–at least abroad. If he appreciates the off-limits landscape at home, overseas it is suddenly to be showcased to reemphasize his global, multicultural and less parochial credentials. E.g., it comes off as something like: ‘between you and me–typical Americans could not relate to you the way I can–even though back in America to even suggest that I am not typical is sometimes the greatest of sins–albeit in the manner I adjudicate.’ Consider again:

« Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world, that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries…The largest one, Indonesia. And so what I want to communicate is the fact that in all my travels throughout the Muslim world, what I’ve come to understand is that regardless of your faith — and America is a country of Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers — regardless of your faith, people all have certain common hopes and common dreams. »

4) At some point, soaring rhetoric makes banality the harder to accept. For all the talking about path- breaking new/old envoy George Mitchell, and the new President’s background, and the novel sensitivity, Obama offered nothing new on the Middle East and Iran, because (1) there is very little new to be offered; and (2) George Bush, apart from the caricatures, was by 2004 about as multilateral as one can be; consider the Quartet, the EU3, the UN efforts at international disarmament with Iran, the use of NATO forces in Afghanistan, the Coalition in Iraq, the efforts to promote constitutional government in the Middle East, and on and on.

There is a danger here that Obama’s hope and change on the Middle East will start to resemble his hope and change on new governance in Washington: utopian promises about absolutely new ethics, followed by the same old, same old as exemplified by the ethical problems encountered by Geithner, Holder, Lynn, Richardson–and by extension Blago, Dodd, Frank, and Rangel. Again, saintly rhetoric only highlights earthly behavior.

I am glad Obama confounds the radical and hostile Islamic world, if it is in fact true that he does. But we are witnessing a delicate balancing act in which he seems to be saying to us « I am best representing you by distancing myself from you and your past ».

Again, that may well work, but also in time may prove not to be what Americans thought they were voting for. So a final Neanderthal thought: some of us would like our President in calm, polite and diplomatic tones to emphasize the past positive Middle East work of his predecessor Presidents Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. He should make the case that the United States has tried hard and will try hard again to promote peace in the Middle East, but that certain fundamental facts make that awfully difficult, and often are beyond our control, resting largely in the decisions that others make for themselves–and the inevitable reactions that will follow from a liberal democracy like our own, faced with clear signs of religious intolerance, illiberality, violent aggression, and complicity in the promotion of terror as a political means. In other words, I think Syria, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Pakistan–and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and others–know exactly what are they doing and thus the problems that arise between us transcend occasional and unfortunate smoke ‘em out/bring ‘em on lingo.

Just a modest thought.
Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of « A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War. » You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.

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30 réponses à “Danser entre les mines : L’interview d’Obama”

  • 30
    sil:

    Tiens, vous m’avez donné une idée avec vos chinoiseries :-) Sinon, moi c’etait plutot Tae Kwondo, Penshak Silat et surtout Budo-Taijutsu plus connu sous le nom de Ninjutsu, ce qui vous donne une piste s’agissant de l’idée de post que vous m’avez donné…

  • 29
    michael:

    Ah , un ‘tit cadeau pour UltraCouscous !
    http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=B18m-jjIeYM&feature=related
    On y voit une preuve irrefutable que le Hamas s’occupe avec la plus grande sollicitude de sa population ! Enfonces les vilaines diffamations sionistes ! Dans cette video on voit des la minute 1,25 une distribution GRATUITE a une trentaine de veinards de produits de derniere necessite et on voit meme de véritables « Papas Theresas » prendre sur eux memesetgenereusement accorder un supplément de rations vraiment un acte de generosite digne d’etre remarque
    Quelle chance il a ce cher Ultra d’avoir des amis si attentionnes ! Peut etre que lui aussi aura droit a une distribution de ce genre dans le genre
    « manifestation ecologique ! Le Hamas deja Vert islamique est aussi Vert ecolo-tendance « nique ton Dhimmi » ;la preuve , ils « recyclent les emballages usages ( tres usages dans le cas de Ultra et ses potes ..Ah au fait Ultra elargi , Besancenot a apprecie la fiesta , la mere Buffy , on demande meme pas et le reste -Mamere , Melenchon , y ont pas trop gueule ? Non , me semble pas « Mort aux Juifs  » peut etre ?

  • 28
    Zoubor:

    Moi aussi j’ai 15 ans de Judo derriere moi, dont la medaille de Bronze de Alifout Hapoel et 5 eme place aux Championats Nationaux d’Israel – c’est il y a tres tres longtemps, Arad etait une gamine et elle avait mis en piece mes eleves !
    Aujourd’hui, 20 kg et 30 ans de plus, donc je me « contente » de Tai Tchi et autres Kung-Fu Chinois apres un petit detour en Aikido!!

    Quant a ton couscous, il m’a l’air tres tres appetissant !!!

  • 27
    michael:

    A vrai dire on s’en balance!
    +++++++++
    Et comment ! Laisse ce dechet cracher son vomi ! Il est paaaarrrffaait dans le role d’ilote ivre ! Tous les visiteurs sont edifies sur les « souteneurs » de la KOZ ! un ou deux m’ont dit : » Eh beh ! si c’est ca le niveau des « antisionistes « quelle racailles ! » Berk de berk …
    Grace a des gens comme Letel qui le ferre avec intelligence , il vomit plus de conneries , mensonges et xenophobies que le serveur ne le permet ! Un regal ! De l’autoshahidisation volontaire et les visiteurs le prennent en plus pour un etre humain et ne remarquent pas que c’est un Troll !
    Bref rien que du bonheur donc on le laisse s’enferrer au max : plus il en fait et plus il en defait ! Et de temps en temps pour pas qu’il se croie un truc important on lui torgnole la production en envoyant une partie ( aleatoire au gre des caprices) de ses dejections a l’egout sans plus de formes mais en laissant les reponses , evidemment …..
    Comme tu vois , faut pas s’en faire et utiliser la philosophie du Judo de Maitre Sil , ca aide ( Moi c’est ShotoKan -Karateka de l’ecole de Maitre Harada de Nagoya – paix a ses cendres- il m’avait casse deux cotes en demonstration des avantages compares du Kibadashi position haute ou basse ) Les deux methodes sont valables et donnent de bons resultats ..Le couscous chez moi : cuit avec du thym ou de la naana dans l’eau , des amandes des raisins de Smyrne et des oignons caramelises dans la graine et le reste a l’avenant …..

  • 26
    Zoubor:

    Précision : tout le monde déteste les sionistes

    A vrai dire on s’en balance!
    On leur survivra de toute facon !!!!

    N.I.L.I.

  • 25
    Dror:

    Précision : tout le monde déteste les sionistes. Ecrire « les turcs… » est inutile.

  • 24
    Zoubor:

    les turcs détestent les sionistes.

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

    Tu dis beaucoup de betise, mais la c’est une enorme connerie !

    Bon! on a l’habitude !

  • 23
    Dror:

    Stomp : les turcs détestent les sionistes.

  • 22
    Dror:

    Tiens, il faudrait réimprimer les imbécilités des Letel et Blabla-gland sur l´arrivée des islamistes (pardon nazislamistes) en Turquie…. Après il faudra nous montrer la situation de la Turquie avant et après Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

  • 21
    stomp:

    Il est anormal qu’en tant qu’adepte du « chacun fait comme il veut », vous trouviez anormal que les Turcs et les Israéliens fassent ce qu’ils veulent dans leur coin sans vous déranger.

  • 20
    Dror:

    Il est anormal que les turcs aient des relations diplomatiques avec le PPM®.

    Anormal que les israéliens soient autorisés à entrer en Turquie.

  • 19
    Zoubor:

    La Truquie s’est assuree de la diminutaion de son tourisme – un million d’Israeliens ont annule leurs prochaines vacances en Turquie!

    Par contre j’ai rencontre hier a l’Hopital de Tel Aviv un Turque qui vient passer une emaine tous les mois depuis 3 mois pour ce faire soigner de son cancer ….

  • 18
    Ram Zenit:

    L’operation contre le Hamas a devoile le veritable visage d’Erdogan: derriere sa cravate se cache un barbu!
    C’est ce que l’Europe est en train de gober- c’est ce que l’Europe integrera en son sein: une Turquie integriste !

    Quoique, je pense que dans l’Etat Major turque ils en a qui ont du commencer le compte a rebours!

    PS: l’incident n’a rien a voir avec la « subtilite » de la diplomatie israelienne – elle a tout a voir avec la « subtilite » de la diplomatie turque ! Et de la politique interieure turque

  • 17
    MERCATOR:

    Cerise sur la cerise où la diplomatie israélienne dans toute sa subtilité !

    12:18 Incident diplomatique à Davos : Recep Tayyip Erdogan se justifie.  »Ma colère n’était pas dirigée contre les Juifs mais contre l’administration israélienne », a déclaré le Premier ministre turc, ajoutant que sa réaction était une  »question d’estime et de prestige pour (son) pays ». Il donnait une conférence de presse à son retour à Istanbul. (Guysen.International.News)
    Pour rappel, le Premier ministre turc Recep Tayyip Erdogan a quitté brutalement jeudi une discussion sur le conflit à Gaza, accusant les organisateurs de l’empêcher de prendre la parole après une longue intervention du président israélien Shimon Pérès

    Déjà que obama veut plus fournir de bombes anti bunker, faudra pas compter passer par la turquie pour un nouvel osirak !

  • 16
    michael:

    Mais mon pauvre Mercator , on est pas votre psychiatre ! Vos reves et espoirs ( decus au reveil) c’est pas a nous qu’il faut les raconter c’est au gentil monsieur qui voussoutrit avecses deux camarades a blouse blanches et ronches de catcheurs . Apres une bonne douche , vous verrez les choses un peu differement .

  • 15
    Letel:

    Bush a seulement démontré l´impuissance des USA.

    :-)

  • 14
    Dror:

    Dire que Simplet a voulu faire revivre la IVème Flotte…

  • 13
    Dror:

    Bush a seulement démontré l´impuissance des USA.

    Saddam est mort et ? Les sionistes tuent tous les cadres des partis palestiniens : on voit comme les sionistes dorment tranquilles depuis…

  • 12
    Letel:

    Saddam aussi, il se fout des Amerloques, depuis son grill.

  • 11
    Dror:

    difficile et lente construction d’un capital de crainte que l’administration Bush avait crée

    Fantaisie. Tout le monde se fout de la g… de l´impuissance américaine à commencer du Vénézuela au Liban en passant par la Bolivie ou l´Iran.

  • 10
    david:

    Effrayant !! Ce n’est pas un président qui a été élu mais bel et bien un faible doublé d’un lache !!

  • 9
    Letel:

    C’est vrai que ce serait mieux d’avoir toujours un régime ennemi en Irak, celui de Saddam, d’avoir encore les talibans au pouvoir en Afghanistan, d’avoir toujours la Syrie occupant le Liban, d’avoir un Kadhafi déjanté avec ses gadgets, un Pakistan proliférant, etc. etc. Le bilan est nul, c’était mieux avant… Bush a tout raté, il faut s’en convaincre, le répéter. A force de le répéter, de bêler avec les moutons comme tout le monde en France, on finira peut-être par y croire nous-mêmes…

  • 8
    Letel:

    Le gars qui confond tout. Les néocons ne sont pas « fondamentalistes évangélistes », ce sont deux courants différents, alliés au moment de Bush, oui, mais différents. Les néocons sont d’ex-gauchistes, athées pour la plupart. Même pas straussiens, voir l’article assez drôle de Kagan.
    Pour le reste, c’est débile, le délire habituel de Mercator, niant les réalités les plus évidentes.

  • 7
    MERCATOR:

    On peut dire que les néo cons fondamentalistes évangélistes et leurs allies de L AIPAC l’ont dans le trognon bien profond, bush n’a fait que des conneries seuls quelques psychopathes d’exc défendent encore son bilan calamiteux, je savais que les ricains étaient des cons mais je croyais que les juifs sionistes étaient plus mariolles, résultat du règne bushiste, un éclatement de l’irak, seul rempart fiable contre les mollahs, une haine des musulmans pour les yankees décuplée, l’iran renforcé , une Amérique affaiblie militairement et économiquement, tsahal ridiculisé, une opinion publique mondiale devenant antisémite, et cerise sur le gâteau, les mollahs recevant une main tendue du métis, avec la certitude de pouvoir continuer leur bombinette sans risque de destruction par tsahal qui est dépendant à 100% en matière d’aéronautique militaire, chapeau les artistes !

  • 6
    Mateamargo:

    Surtout c’est jeter à la poubelle en deux minutes sept années de difficile et lente construction d’un capital de crainte que l’administration Bush avait crée. Ce dont l’Amérique avait le plus grand besoin depuis le Viet-Nâm pour imposer ce ne serai ce que le plus modeste et le plus altruiste de ses points de vue.

  • 5
    Letel:

    C’est le balancier de la politique américaine : la phase molle (Carter), suivie de la phase dure (Reagan-Bush 1), suivie de la phase molle (Clinton), suivie de, etc.
    Une ruse pour donner le tournis aux dictatures. Attends le prochain, Bush 3…

  • 4
    Sittingbull:

    Tout à fait mon impression de l’interview. Il a l’air d’excuser sans cesse l’Amérique d’être ce qu’elle est, c’est très peu présidentiel et c’est ce qu’eXc a claironné depuis des mois qu’il allait faire, sous divers angles. S’il continue, les dictatures et les terroristes se sentiront justifiés.

  • 3
    Letel:

    Clinton peacemaking

  • 2
    Mateamargo:

    Lumineux. Il faudrait un fil rien que pour ça. La partie ou il parle de comment on importe la démocratie… ;c)

  • 1
    Letel:

    Même son de cloche de Fouad Ajami