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	<title>Commentaires sur : Mini-Hitler à Columbia University</title>
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	<description>Contre l'extrême droite et l'extrême gauche, il y a l'extrême centre</description>
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		<title>Par : madimaxi</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148636</link>
		<dc:creator>madimaxi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tient, l’Irak est disparu de l’écran-radar de L’extrême-cendre ?&lt;/em&gt;

Pas de nouvelle, bonne nouvelle. 
Effectivement, plus aucune &quot;horreur irakienne&quot; à la une des journaux depuis belle lurette. On comprendra à la lecture de ces &lt;a href=&quot;http://icasualties.org/oif/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stats&lt;/a&gt; :

Taux de décès parmi les militaires le plus bas depuis 08/06 (de plus, 22 soldats US sur le total de 59 sont des &quot;non-hostile casualties&quot;, probablement le plus grand ratio jamais enregistré).

Quant aux victimes irakiennes, si la tendance actuelle persiste, le mois de septembre sera le moins meurtrier depuis janvier 2006. La période de Ramadan, accompagnée habituellement  d’éruptions de violences, reste exceptionnellement calme par rapport aux années précédentes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Tient, l’Irak est disparu de l’écran-radar de L’extrême-cendre ?</em></p>
<p>Pas de nouvelle, bonne nouvelle.<br />
Effectivement, plus aucune &laquo;&nbsp;horreur irakienne&nbsp;&raquo; à la une des journaux depuis belle lurette. On comprendra à la lecture de ces <a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/" rel="nofollow">stats</a> :</p>
<p>Taux de décès parmi les militaires le plus bas depuis 08/06 (de plus, 22 soldats US sur le total de 59 sont des &laquo;&nbsp;non-hostile casualties&nbsp;&raquo;, probablement le plus grand ratio jamais enregistré).</p>
<p>Quant aux victimes irakiennes, si la tendance actuelle persiste, le mois de septembre sera le moins meurtrier depuis janvier 2006. La période de Ramadan, accompagnée habituellement  d’éruptions de violences, reste exceptionnellement calme par rapport aux années précédentes.</p>
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		<title>Par : Sittingbull</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148542</link>
		<dc:creator>Sittingbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Réflexions, échos sur l&#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;invitation&lt;/a&gt;:
It is rather silly of Bollinger to invite Ahmadinejad and then berate him. On the other hand, it would be far sillier to genuflect before this &quot;world leader.&quot; So Bollinger was simply making the best of the bad situation he had created for himself.

And to judge by the news coverage, the results were actually better than one might have hoped for. Ahmadinejad succeeded in making a laughingstock of himself, and the reactions reported in the press suggest that, the political biases of the faculty notwithstanding, the kids are all right. From the New York Times:

    Students said they found his links between science and religion ridiculous.

    &quot;It was utterly disgraceful, and it was an utter waste of time,&quot; said Sara Aries, a 21-year-old senior in studying [sic] forensics. &quot;The man did not answer any of the questions that were posed to him.&quot;

    Nora Ganley-Roper, 21, a physics student, agreed. &quot;For Columbia to stick out its neck, it would have been much more helpful if he answered the questions.&quot; . . .

    Elie Lehmann, a junior from Boston majoring in religion, said he approved of Mr. Bollinger&#039;s remarks. &quot;Many people were upset with President Bollinger&#039;s issuing the invitation,&quot; he said. &quot;His remarks gained him a lot of respect back.&quot;

    Amital Isaac, 18, who was wearing an anti-Ahmadinejad T-shirt, said that she was glad to hear from Iran&#039;s president and that she thought the speech raised interesting questions.

    &quot;He began the speech with religion, and everyone on the lawn was rolling their eyes,&quot; she said. &quot;They knew it was propaganda.&quot; But, it got people talking, &quot;and that doesn&#039;t happen every day.&quot;

The Washington Post quotes one old New Yorker who defends the Ahmadinejad appearance on &quot;spot the idiot&quot; grounds:

    &quot;Let him speak--let him open his mouth,&quot; said Pearl Atkins, 74, a Manhattan resident who lost relatives in the Holocaust. &quot;This is America; people get their say here, not like in Iran. He only makes himself sound more stupid with every word anyway.&quot;

The Post&#039;s Dana Milbank echoes Atkins:

    There were similar protests outside the National Press Building in Washington, where reporters gathered to question Ahmadinejad in a videoconference. &quot;Don&#039;t give him any press!&quot; shouted one woman.

    But that objection misses a crucial point: Without listening to Ahmadinejad, how can the world appreciate how truly nutty he is?

    &quot;In Iran, we don&#039;t have homosexuals like in your country,&quot; he informed the Columbia audience.

That last comment is especially delightful in light of the prespeech pro-Ahmadinejad commentary from the likes of Sally Kohn and Glenn Greenwald.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Réflexions, échos sur l&#8217;<a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/" rel="nofollow">invitation</a>:<br />
It is rather silly of Bollinger to invite Ahmadinejad and then berate him. On the other hand, it would be far sillier to genuflect before this &laquo;&nbsp;world leader.&nbsp;&raquo; So Bollinger was simply making the best of the bad situation he had created for himself.</p>
<p>And to judge by the news coverage, the results were actually better than one might have hoped for. Ahmadinejad succeeded in making a laughingstock of himself, and the reactions reported in the press suggest that, the political biases of the faculty notwithstanding, the kids are all right. From the New York Times:</p>
<p>    Students said they found his links between science and religion ridiculous.</p>
<p>    &laquo;&nbsp;It was utterly disgraceful, and it was an utter waste of time,&nbsp;&raquo; said Sara Aries, a 21-year-old senior in studying [sic] forensics. &laquo;&nbsp;The man did not answer any of the questions that were posed to him.&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>    Nora Ganley-Roper, 21, a physics student, agreed. &laquo;&nbsp;For Columbia to stick out its neck, it would have been much more helpful if he answered the questions.&nbsp;&raquo; . . .</p>
<p>    Elie Lehmann, a junior from Boston majoring in religion, said he approved of Mr. Bollinger&#8217;s remarks. &laquo;&nbsp;Many people were upset with President Bollinger&#8217;s issuing the invitation,&nbsp;&raquo; he said. &laquo;&nbsp;His remarks gained him a lot of respect back.&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>    Amital Isaac, 18, who was wearing an anti-Ahmadinejad T-shirt, said that she was glad to hear from Iran&#8217;s president and that she thought the speech raised interesting questions.</p>
<p>    &laquo;&nbsp;He began the speech with religion, and everyone on the lawn was rolling their eyes,&nbsp;&raquo; she said. &laquo;&nbsp;They knew it was propaganda.&nbsp;&raquo; But, it got people talking, &laquo;&nbsp;and that doesn&#8217;t happen every day.&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>The Washington Post quotes one old New Yorker who defends the Ahmadinejad appearance on &laquo;&nbsp;spot the idiot&nbsp;&raquo; grounds:</p>
<p>    &laquo;&nbsp;Let him speak&#8211;let him open his mouth,&nbsp;&raquo; said Pearl Atkins, 74, a Manhattan resident who lost relatives in the Holocaust. &laquo;&nbsp;This is America; people get their say here, not like in Iran. He only makes himself sound more stupid with every word anyway.&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>The Post&#8217;s Dana Milbank echoes Atkins:</p>
<p>    There were similar protests outside the National Press Building in Washington, where reporters gathered to question Ahmadinejad in a videoconference. &laquo;&nbsp;Don&#8217;t give him any press!&nbsp;&raquo; shouted one woman.</p>
<p>    But that objection misses a crucial point: Without listening to Ahmadinejad, how can the world appreciate how truly nutty he is?</p>
<p>    &laquo;&nbsp;In Iran, we don&#8217;t have homosexuals like in your country,&nbsp;&raquo; he informed the Columbia audience.</p>
<p>That last comment is especially delightful in light of the prespeech pro-Ahmadinejad commentary from the likes of Sally Kohn and Glenn Greenwald.</p>
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		<title>Par : Com-Lum</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148453</link>
		<dc:creator>Com-Lum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Shahlaa al-Nasrawi, and I would like to speak to Colombia too, but I was murderd when the american congress gave money to BlackWather USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Shahlaa al-Nasrawi, and I would like to speak to Colombia too, but I was murderd when the american congress gave money to BlackWather USA.</p>
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		<title>Par : Gratis</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148452</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;How do you explain the American refusal to see the Iranian president bow his head at Ground Zero as he had wished?

    Contrary to the official reasons invoked, this is purely and simply a political decision. At a time when Bush is right in the middle of a test of strength with Iran, it would have been incomprehensible for the symbol of Iranian radicalism to go to Ground Zero. By proposing to go there on 9/11, Ahmadinejad offered one more provocation. But we must however remember that Iran very quickly condemned the September 11 attacks. Moreover, during the American riposte in Afghanistan, Iran authorized US aviation to fly over its territory. Khatami was still president at the time, and, even if he never directly collaborated with the United States, he demonstrated his goodwill. Bush&#039;s mistake was not to jump up and seize the Iranian opening.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How do you explain the American refusal to see the Iranian president bow his head at Ground Zero as he had wished?</p>
<p>    Contrary to the official reasons invoked, this is purely and simply a political decision. At a time when Bush is right in the middle of a test of strength with Iran, it would have been incomprehensible for the symbol of Iranian radicalism to go to Ground Zero. By proposing to go there on 9/11, Ahmadinejad offered one more provocation. But we must however remember that Iran very quickly condemned the September 11 attacks. Moreover, during the American riposte in Afghanistan, Iran authorized US aviation to fly over its territory. Khatami was still president at the time, and, even if he never directly collaborated with the United States, he demonstrated his goodwill. Bush&#8217;s mistake was not to jump up and seize the Iranian opening.</em></p>
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		<title>Par : Gratis</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148451</link>
		<dc:creator>Gratis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tient, l&#039;Irak est disparu de l&#039;écran-radar de L&#039;extrême-cendre ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tient, l&#8217;Irak est disparu de l&#8217;écran-radar de L&#8217;extrême-cendre ?</p>
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		<title>Par : stef</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148420</link>
		<dc:creator>stef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Et que pensez-vous de ça?:&lt;/i&gt;


Et la &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-959292,0.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;lettre persane&quot;&lt;/a&gt; de Robert Sole

&lt;i&gt;Mon cher Usbek, New York est encore plus grand que Téhéran. Les maisons y sont si hautes qu&#039;on jugerait qu&#039;elles ne sont habitées que par des astrologues. Mais les habitants de cette ville enchanteresse ont une manière de recevoir leurs hôtes qui n&#039;est point du tout persane. Le président de l&#039;Université Columbia, qui avait insisté pour m&#039;inviter, m&#039;a présenté comme &quot;un dictateur minable et cruel&quot;, avant de me poser mille questions inconvenantes auxquelles je me suis employé à ne pas répondre.&lt;/i&gt;

A lire les reactions on pourrait meme penser que l&#039;Iran des mollahs est un haut lieu de la civilisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Et que pensez-vous de ça?:</i></p>
<p>Et la <a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-959292,0.html" rel="nofollow">&laquo;&nbsp;lettre persane&nbsp;&raquo;</a> de Robert Sole</p>
<p><i>Mon cher Usbek, New York est encore plus grand que Téhéran. Les maisons y sont si hautes qu&#8217;on jugerait qu&#8217;elles ne sont habitées que par des astrologues. Mais les habitants de cette ville enchanteresse ont une manière de recevoir leurs hôtes qui n&#8217;est point du tout persane. Le président de l&#8217;Université Columbia, qui avait insisté pour m&#8217;inviter, m&#8217;a présenté comme &laquo;&nbsp;un dictateur minable et cruel&nbsp;&raquo;, avant de me poser mille questions inconvenantes auxquelles je me suis employé à ne pas répondre.</i></p>
<p>A lire les reactions on pourrait meme penser que l&#8217;Iran des mollahs est un haut lieu de la civilisation.</p>
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		<title>Par : Sittingbull</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148395</link>
		<dc:creator>Sittingbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pas une raison de légitimer un &quot;débat&quot;. La propagande interne iranienne &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0709252616013529.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;s&#039;en fout&lt;/a&gt;.
Sur &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypost.com/seven/09252007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/squalid_mistake.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;l&#039;aveuglement&lt;/a&gt; universitaire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pas une raison de légitimer un &laquo;&nbsp;débat&nbsp;&raquo;. La propagande interne iranienne <a href="http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/line-24/0709252616013529.htm" rel="nofollow">s&#8217;en fout</a>.<br />
Sur <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/09252007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/squalid_mistake.htm" rel="nofollow">l&#8217;aveuglement</a> universitaire</p>
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		<title>Par : VousHadits?</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148361</link>
		<dc:creator>VousHadits?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Et que pensez-vous de ça?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBEo7DbrsI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Et que pensez-vous de ça?:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBEo7DbrsI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBEo7DbrsI</a></p>
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		<title>Par : Akanin</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148314</link>
		<dc:creator>Akanin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;atroce à voir, cette gauche qui est à l’extrême droite. je crois qu’il faut se préparer au pire&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

Un autre exemple illustre bien ça, même avec la gauche modérée : il y a ce soir en France à la télé un documentaire sur Humanbomb, le gars qui a pris en otage des enfants à Neuilly et où Sarkozy est intervenu. Dans &lt;a href=&quot;http://television.telerama.fr/tele/emission.php?id=6765944&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;la critique&lt;/a&gt; du film par Télérama, on peut lire ceci, sous la plume d&#039;un crétin qui s&#039;appelle Samuel Douhaire, à la fin : &quot;&lt;em&gt;En particulier les séquences, garanties authentiques, où le futur chef de l’Etat négocie la libération des enfants comme un marchand de tapis&lt;/em&gt;…&quot;
Autrement dit, le sale type, ce n&#039;est pas celui qui va prendre des enfants en otage avec une bombe, c&#039;est bien Sarkozy, un marchand de tapis. Inversion totale des valeurs morales, perte des repères absolue, incapacité à voir un seul aspect favorable chez un adversaire politique. Télérama, le journal le plus politiquement correct de la planète, d&#039;un conformisme bêlant, rempli de gens haineux et déboussolés comme ce Douhaire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&laquo;&nbsp;<em>atroce à voir, cette gauche qui est à l’extrême droite. je crois qu’il faut se préparer au pire</em>&nbsp;&raquo;</p>
<p>Un autre exemple illustre bien ça, même avec la gauche modérée : il y a ce soir en France à la télé un documentaire sur Humanbomb, le gars qui a pris en otage des enfants à Neuilly et où Sarkozy est intervenu. Dans <a href="http://television.telerama.fr/tele/emission.php?id=6765944" rel="nofollow">la critique</a> du film par Télérama, on peut lire ceci, sous la plume d&#8217;un crétin qui s&#8217;appelle Samuel Douhaire, à la fin : &laquo;&nbsp;<em>En particulier les séquences, garanties authentiques, où le futur chef de l’Etat négocie la libération des enfants comme un marchand de tapis</em>…&nbsp;&raquo;<br />
Autrement dit, le sale type, ce n&#8217;est pas celui qui va prendre des enfants en otage avec une bombe, c&#8217;est bien Sarkozy, un marchand de tapis. Inversion totale des valeurs morales, perte des repères absolue, incapacité à voir un seul aspect favorable chez un adversaire politique. Télérama, le journal le plus politiquement correct de la planète, d&#8217;un conformisme bêlant, rempli de gens haineux et déboussolés comme ce Douhaire.</p>
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		<title>Par : Cataloun</title>
		<link>http://extremecentre.org/2007/09/24/mini-hitler-a-columbia-university/comment-page-1/#comment-148265</link>
		<dc:creator>Cataloun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>L&#039;auteur du texte ci-dessous, récupéré du site du WP, s&#039;appelle Miklós Vámos. Il est hongrois. Il est entre autres l&#039;auteur de deux nouvelles :
&lt;em&gt;How I&#039;ll become an American
Coke Abuse&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L&#8217;auteur du texte ci-dessous, récupéré du site du WP, s&#8217;appelle Miklós Vámos. Il est hongrois. Il est entre autres l&#8217;auteur de deux nouvelles :<br />
<em>How I&#8217;ll become an American<br />
Coke Abuse</em></p>
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